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Topic: Inappropriate content for teens?
Posted By: Lorenita
Subject: Inappropriate content for teens?
Date Posted: January/25/2009 at 1:19pm
I am an avid DK reader, and consequently my siblings want to read his books, the problem is that DK’s books tend to be inappropriate for young teens.

My 11-year-old sister wants to read Tick Tock (which I have not yet read) and my 13-year-old brother wants to read The Darkest Evening of the Year (which I read and won’t let him read because of Moongirl).

In your opinion is Tick Tock not an appropriate read for an 11-year-old girl? And what book do you think is appropriate for a 13-year-old boy? If you wouldn’t mind giving me some details that would be helpful.

Thank you.

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You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself in any direction you choose. -Dr. Seuss



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Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: January/25/2009 at 2:12pm
Uhm, it has been some time since I read Tick Tock but I don't remember there beign anythign horribly objectionable in it. Then again, I was reading horror when I was an early teen, so I might not be the right person to answer.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: SlimMackenzie
Date Posted: January/26/2009 at 2:59am
Tick Tock would be fine for 13yr old IMO, and for the boy, I would recommend(am I spelling that right?) Voice of the Night. It deals with younger kids doing some bad stuff, but not too graphic for a 13 yr old. LIGHTNING would be another good suggestion.

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The other night I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.
-Rodney Dangerfield


Posted By: notkaplan
Date Posted: January/26/2009 at 11:29am
I don't think Tick Tock had much, if at all, any innappropriate content. It might be a little scary for an 11 year old though. Of all of DK's books, I think Tick Tock was definately one of the milder ones when it comes to violence, sex, and curse words.

I think I remember By the Light of the Moon being OK too


Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 11:56am
I actually tried reading it at 11. I didn't get far. It may have been my immature mind. It did freak me out a little. That's just because weird noises coming from radios scare me. Well, they did back then.

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"It had to be said. The world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrificing." - Howard Roark
Dean Koontz= Always working!


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 12:00pm
When I bought Darkest Evening of the Year at the bookstore today, the old lady volunteering there said she didn't like him because his books were excessively violent. I just shrugged and said, "Depends on the book, I guess." Yes, there is violence but I've never thought of Koontz as EXCESSIVELY violent.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: SlimMackenzie
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 12:06pm
Well, when you are dealing with the likes of THE OUTSIDER and ROY MIRO and old CANDY (The Bad Place), then things do tend to get violent, but overall, violence isn't how I picture DK.

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The other night I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.
-Rodney Dangerfield


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 12:08pm
I guess it might be too much violence for little old ladies who volunteer in used bookstores. Although who knows, sure there are some little old lady hardcore horror fans out there.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: SlimMackenzie
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 12:15pm
Some people might consider swatting flies violent. "But Slim...they are all God's creatures, just like you and I."

"Well, miss little old lady, I am not sitting on someones HAMBURGER AM I???"

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The other night I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.
-Rodney Dangerfield


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 12:27pm
It also depends on the parent, what they consider too violent for their kids. I mean, when I was 11 I loved horror stories and horror movies and everything horror, couldn't get enough.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: notkaplan
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 5:26pm
When I was 10 or 11 my parents didn't care if I watched violent or scary movies, but I don't know if I'd want my kids to watch those kind of movies at that age, even though I did. Well, they're only 6 and 4 now, so maybe when they're 11 I'll feel differently. But as of now, I feel that 11 is kinda young


Posted By: Lorenita
Date Posted: January/30/2009 at 11:23am
Well thank you guys for all your info! I didn't encounter DK until I was 15 and the first of his books that I read was an old one "The Vision." I was a little freaked out by that book, but then I read "Watchers" and I just got hooked on DK. I'm reading "The Door to December" right now, and as with all his other books I can't put it down.

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You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself in any direction you choose. -Dr. Seuss


Posted By: SlimMackenzie
Date Posted: January/30/2009 at 2:42pm
THE VISION, imo, and I have said this before...is DK's attempt at writing a pornographic story. That is one I won't let my kid read until he is 30 yrs old...lol.


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The other night I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.
-Rodney Dangerfield


Posted By: withpatience200
Date Posted: February/02/2009 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by notkaplan notkaplan wrote:

When I was 10 or 11 my parents didn't care if I watched violent or scary movies, but I don't know if I'd want my kids to watch those kind of movies at that age, even though I did. Well, they're only 6 and 4 now, so maybe when they're 11 I'll feel differently. But as of now, I feel that 11 is kinda young


When I was young my parents let me watch just about anything. My favorite movie when I was young was Rocky Horror Picture Show.
I now have 2 young kids and I often times remind myself that when you are young most things that are truly inappropriate for you tend to go right over your head.
Come on have you ever watched a bugs bunny cartoon that you saw as a kid with different eyes as an adult?

I have drawn the line at south park and family guy. But as for most sexual content, as well as violence it is more funny to my kids than anything. It is not a reality in the world they live in yet.

We will see if they grow up to be terrors!!!

Oh and plus I listen to Dean Koontz audio books when I clean my house, I have been a bit wary when they hear some of the really explicit love scenes, but they bearly notice. When they do they just laugh at the words used. They don't get most sexual words yet.
Also I have never hear them talking about locking people in basements, or rape, or making art out of dead bodies, or any of that stuff. They have though talked about how Odd can see ghosts and has a ghost dog, and how spaceships made it rain and terraformed the earth and most people died.
So anyhow I will end my examples, but I think my point is valid that they are not likely to learn anything bad from a book unless they have already been exposed to it in another form.

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With luck my patience will never run out before I do


Posted By: notkaplan
Date Posted: February/03/2009 at 3:11pm
withpatience you are probably right. I have nothing against Bugs Bunny though. Have you seen what kind of cartoons are on cartoon network now? My boys watch them, but I wish they'd watch Bugs Bunny instead. I don't even thing it's on TV anymore. What IS still on TV though is Tom and Jerry, the original ones from 50 years ago. They absolutely love those cartoons!


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: February/03/2009 at 3:15pm
Look at the fairytales we tell our children. Witches wanting to bake children alive, wolves eating grandma's...a lot of violence there. When I was a kid, i couldn't get enough dark violent tales.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: notkaplan
Date Posted: February/03/2009 at 3:17pm
Good point


Posted By: masha99
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 11:42am
Originally posted by FinalExam FinalExam wrote:

Look at the fairytales we tell our children. Witches wanting to bake children alive, wolves eating grandma's...a lot of violence there. When I was a kid, i couldn't get enough dark violent tales.


That's OK as long as no one was smoking. Automatic R rating for that now.

I remember crying my eyes out when Little Mermaid died in the original fairy tale. Modern kids don't ever get to read that version as far as I know, which is too bad because it's actually very touching and has a great message.

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Maybe all you've got is what you get to... -- Brad Cotter
Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent -- Ayn Rand/Terry Goodkind


Posted By: notkaplan
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 12:07pm
[QUOTE=masha99]   

That's OK as long as no one was smoking. Automatic R rating for that now.

QUOTE]


There are people that want to rid movies of smoking characters because it sends the "wrong message" to kids
but the cursing and sexual talk on prime time TV is OK I guess


Posted By: notkaplan
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 12:08pm
hmmmm that was weird the way that quote posted like that


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 12:11pm
I think G-ifying everything doesn't help kids.

I am not a smoker, but lots of people are, so to try to rid movies of anyone who smokes is not only realistic but stupid.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: notkaplan
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 1:19pm
It is unrealistic and stupid. You and I know that, but there are people who want to stop it being shown in movies anyway. It's almost as if they don't care that there is murder in movies, but smoking, well that's a no no


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by withpatience200 withpatience200 wrote:


When I was young my parents let me watch just about anything.
   
I now have 2 young kids and I often times remind myself that when you are young most things that are truly inappropriate for you tend to go right over your head.
Come on have you ever watched a bugs bunny cartoon that you saw as a kid with different eyes as an adult?


So anyhow I will end my examples, but I think my point is valid that they are not likely to learn anything bad from a book unless they have already been exposed to it in another form.


I was taken ever since I was infant to movie theaters with my parents when they watched grown-up movies. The only thing that made an impression on me was when one time they had a fight about it being inappropritate for me and we left, otherwise, I would not have remembered it.

I watched a cartoon when I was grown-up with that french male skunk that thinks that female cat is a skunk when she gets a fake white paint stripe down her back. Talk about sexual harrassment! He almost rapes her! I don't recall anything about it as a child.

I read an inappropriate for age Penthouse forum when I was 5 or 6 years old. Ken and Barbie changed up the way they related to each other after that. Then I wanted to spank all the kids in the neighborhood for a short while. That's about all that happened. But I have noticed that I'm the only forum member that really likes to talk about love scenes in all the books I read.

Smoking is learned from friends and family, not movies IMO.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 2:35pm
Where did friends and family learn it!?

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"It had to be said. The world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrificing." - Howard Roark
Dean Koontz= Always working!


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by christophersnow christophersnow wrote:

Where did friends and family learn it!?
Their friends and families and keep going all the way back to native americans and mayans and now fast forward to 2012 Mayan calander when the world ends and we might as well all smoke.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: christophersnow
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 2:52pm
I think I'll die healthy, thanks! lol

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"It had to be said. The world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrificing." - Howard Roark
Dean Koontz= Always working!


Posted By: SlimMackenzie
Date Posted: February/17/2009 at 3:12pm
It is all in the "evolutionary" scale. Not just the smoking, but many many other things. For example...Back in the "old days", women didn't wear anything above the knees, there were no bikinis or anything like that. Now adays, well you know, is dramatically different.

"What is all that noise?", my grandma used to say when I was listening to Metallica in the 80's. Now, Metallica is "easy listening" compared to the heavy metal of today. Things change, movies is just a tiny aspect of the grand picture.

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The other night I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.
-Rodney Dangerfield


Posted By: the man
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 2:35am
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Posted By: pattirose
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 6:21am
Originally posted by dnurse64 dnurse64 wrote:

Originally posted by withpatience200 withpatience200 wrote:


When I was young my parents let me watch just about anything.
   
I now have 2 young kids and I often times remind myself that when you are young most things that are truly inappropriate for you tend to go right over your head.
Come on have you ever watched a bugs bunny cartoon that you saw as a kid with different eyes as an adult?


So anyhow I will end my examples, but I think my point is valid that they are not likely to learn anything bad from a book unless they have already been exposed to it in another form.


I was taken ever since I was infant to movie theaters with my parents when they watched grown-up movies. The only thing that made an impression on me was when one time they had a fight about it being inappropritate for me and we left, otherwise, I would not have remembered it.

I watched a cartoon when I was grown-up with that french male skunk that thinks that female cat is a skunk when she gets a fake white paint stripe down her back. Talk about sexual harrassment! He almost rapes her! I don't recall anything about it as a child.

I read an inappropriate for age Penthouse forum when I was 5 or 6 years old. Ken and Barbie changed up the way they related to each other after that. Then I wanted to spank all the kids in the neighborhood for a short while. That's about all that happened. But I have noticed that I'm the only forum member that really likes to talk about love scenes in all the books I read.

Smoking is learned from friends and family, not movies IMO.


I remember loving Pepe Le Pew when I was a kid! I still think he's hilarious but I can see how inappropriate it really is, it's still funny though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdBndu0YUM - pepe le pew

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"Where there is cake, there is hope. And there is always cake" - Life Expectancy


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 9:51am
Originally posted by pattirose pattirose wrote:


I remember loving Pepe Le Pew when I was a kid! I still think he's hilarious but I can see how inappropriate it really is, it's still funny though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdBndu0YUM - pepe le pew


It might not have been what he wanted but she really gave it to him at the end didn't she? That was funny.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: the man
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 10:33am
- www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4FqFSBWiTk


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 11:11am
Pepe Le Pu was a date rapist.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: dnurse64
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by the man the man wrote:



The Man likes music! Me too. I'll take any excuse I can get to post a song. He wants us to listen to the video that goes with his lyrics by a British pop duo called P.J. and Duncan:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4FqFSBWiTk - BritishPop

Personally, I think these guys rock pop USA style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKzzu6QT-L4 - USA Pop

I loved that Black Betty song from way back Mr. Man.

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I'm inclined to believe in parallel worlds filled with dark bound Snow and Odd adventures.



Posted By: withpatience200
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 4:41pm
By the way about the smoking thing
I grew up in a nice home with 2 parents who did not smoke or drink or anything. My father was real active and I always thought smoking was the worst thing in the world. I wanted to use my lungs for other things.
Then my parents split up and my mother married a smoker/drinker and she allowed him to smoke inside our home. It wasn’t 3 months before the cigarette attraction became too much and I began to steal his smokes and go hide and smoke them. NOW 14 YEARS LATER I JUST CAN NOT STOP.
So I think that second hand smoke is how kids get addicted to cigarettes before they ever pick up their first one. (My husband and I make it a point to smoke outside away from our children, not in our car, and we wear Bathrobes outside that we take off when we come in, and wash out hands so that we can minimize our children’s exposure to our nasty habit.)
Like I said about sex and violence I do not think it makes a huge impact on them until it becomes a relevant part of the world they live in.


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With luck my patience will never run out before I do


Posted By: FinalExam
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 11:58pm
My parents smoked all m y life, all my siblings smoke, my partner smokes...I've never touched a cigarette. Not making a statement, just an observation.

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We are not strangers to ourselves, we only try to be. --Odd Thomas by Dean Koontz


Posted By: Trailmix
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 4:02am
When my dad was married to my step-mom, everyone in the house smoked. I'd sometimes be in a vehicle with 5 other people, all smoking, with the windows up. I even took a puff of one once, and proceeded to run outside and start gagging and choking...I don't think I'll ever want to start up the habit, lol.

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~Top Ten Koontz: From The Corner Of His Eye, Watchers, The Bad Place, Strangers, Lightning, Relentless, The Face, Dark Rivers Of The Heart, Intensity, and Cold Fire~


Posted By: notkaplan
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 6:49am
Every adult in my family smoked, including my parents. I did not become a smoker untill I was about 25. Now I do not smoke in the car with my kids or in the house if they are there. I'll go outside. I'm not mad at my parents for smoking around me because for one, it is addictive and people only have partial control over it, and secondly, that was just the way life was back then. Everyone smoked, nobody wore seat belts, and kids were allowed to roam free outside till dark. And we all turned out fine. I kinda feel sorry for my kids because life is so much more structured and rigid today. I couldn't even buy a pack of permanent markers at WalMart the other day without verifying I was over 21. Forget about trying to buy cold medicine at the drugstore. Today, over-the -counter literally means over the counter. You have to go up to the counter and have your license swiped just to buy Sudafed! The government has no right to tell restaurants and food companies what kind of oil they use, yet they do and get away with it.

Yet with all of these regulations and infringements on our freedom has not made us safer or life any better. They are doing everything except trying to get to the root of societies problems.




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